Friday, April 11, 2008

"M" stands for Miscarry (as in justice)

Google results for "FLDS Texas"

The Texas government is first in line for an "award": let's call it, "Enemy of civil Rights" award.

I have to declare Texas as the most dangerous place in the USA for religious sects. Waco back in '93, and now the search and seizure -- of 419 FLDS children! The excuse for the seizure and subsequent full-scale search, including the FLDS's temple, was that evidence of "abuse" had been discovered on-site, so the children were taken into "custody" for their "protection." (sorry for the excessive use of "" marks, but the words are just so abused in their context)

IF the abused were as the alleged 16 year-old girl who was making cell phone calls for help, then the only children that should have been given asylum are the girls of child-bearing age; because there is ZERO evidence that sexual abuse of pre pubescent girls, much less of boys, has been going on. But no. The entire child population that could be rounded up were taken away. And what could possibly be the excuse for that? "We are protecting ALL of the children from the abuse of religious brain-washing." Yes, that is it: religious prejudice, nothing less. Here, in the USA, if the Gov decides that your brand of religion is dangerous to children, they can confiscate your children like property, "for their protection."

Nothing this outrageous (and dangerous to American liberty) has happened since the FBI, et al. Federal government and State government agents, slaughtered over three score Americans and crushed the evidence to powder under the treads of tanks, all because they "feared for the safety of the children." And it's Texas again.

9 comments:

The Fluidics said...

If a pack of wolves are eating your teenage girls, but not the younger ones or the boys, do you chance it and leave the others there, hoping they don't get easten as well, or do you move all of the children, to protect them from being eaten by wolves and ensure the future of your family?

MerlintheMad said...

Do you take away other people's children who are not being abused or molested? I have heard of no abuse or molestation, not even of 12 or 13 year old girls, much less pre pubescent girls or any boys. The girls who should have been taken away for "protection" are those of "child-bearing age" only. Those already pregnant or with babes in arms. And ANY suspected men as the fathers of the same. By removing all the children, Texas CPS is claiming that religious indoctrination is abuse. And if that stands up, then this entire country is going to morph into a place that the religious won't recognize....

The Fluidics said...

I would not leave the children with known molestors and abusers.
These unmolested 12 and 13 year olds are just going to be molested at 14 and 15, if left in the care of the suspects.
Your defense of these acts based on the right to practice free religion has one critical flaw: their practices are against the laws of the land. By all means, if these acts are going on, then the enitre compound should be closed. As it stands, the community the compound is in has the world's highest incidence of fumarase deficiency, based on an excedingly high ammount of genentic imbreading within the area. That is strictly down to the teachings of this church, which is endorsing a practice that causes severe mental retardation. That in itself, should be considered a form of abuse.

The FLDS church is also a known hate group, preaching the Evils of dark skinned people, and supports death sentences outside of the legal process of the State, otherwise known as MURDER.


I find your condoning of sexual abuse against minors to be highly deplorable, and I hope your 9 children are good people, despite there parnetage.

lazyox said...

everyone keeps saying waco like it is a bad thing , waco started over underage girl abuse , freedom of religeon does not mean freedom to abuse children anymore than it allows you the right of human sacrifice,

MerlintheMad said...

Your defense of these acts based on the right to practice free religion has one critical flaw: their practices are against the laws of the land.

You are mistaken. Nowhere am I saying that the FLDS men guilty of breaking Texas's marriage Statutes shouldn't be prosecuted. Religious freedom cannot break the law of the land. Up till now, in the main, those laws have been equitable and fair. The LDS back in 1890 abandoned "the practice" of polygany, because the Supreme Court had ruled that marriage could only be monogomous (back then there was not the slightest whiff of suspicion that "heterosexual" would have to be clarified!). The FLDS went their own way and kept living "the practice." However, to be legally married a woman must be either 18, and have parental consent and (or) a court order. Iirc, Texas allows this at 15, some States allow it at 14; but then again, ONLY if the man is within 3 or 4 years of the young woman's age. And positively NOT if he already has a wife! So, by all means, go in and arrest the older men, and the polyganists. Prosecute them. But don't take the younger children based solely on the suspicion that each of them is going to submit to religious doctrine and break the marriages laws later! There is no place for such behavior in America. That is the behavior of fear, impatience, and tyranny.

Personally, I think that a young woman or man capable of procreation should be considered an adult, along with the other rights of adulthood. But, they would have to demonstrate maturity ("If you want to be treated like an adult, then start acting like one"). In the case of the FLDS, they have a base of extended family and society to teach young parents how to be good parents. "Good" is of course qualified by the definition of the Law (personal opinion cannot legislate "Good"). That means that young FLDS mothers are probably far more mature than the average American girl is, and supported in child rearing in ways that a foolish single teen mother is not.

I am not saying that I like this community, I don't. I mistrust "spiritual leaders" intensely. Illegal brain-washing techniques should be exposed and prosecuted as mental and emotional abuse (and physical abuse if applicable). But short of that, the American system cannot interfere and must not be trodden down: or else everyone else loses the same safety net to go their own way. If the FLDS and Branch Davidians can be destroyed without compunction, without due process, then so can you and I.

MerlintheMad said...

everyone keeps saying waco like it is a bad thing , waco started over underage girl abuse , freedom of religeon does not mean freedom to abuse children anymore than it allows you the right of human sacrifice,

Wow, that is so over the top. Waco was utterly bad. You don't investigate child abuse using tanks, helicopters, assaults on the compound/home of the accused: and all the while declare, "We are concerned for the saftey of the CHILDREN!" Then wind up killing them all and destroying the evidence.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near YOU if a mob was forming.

As I said already, people are acting out of fear and impatience.

MerlintheMad said...

Upon further reflection, the Waco cockup began over "illegal weapons", not alleged child abuse. That accusation was added, iirc, AFTER the siege began, to bolster the Fed's case. Texicans were less than helpful when the charge was merely "weapons violations."

But evidently, the pedophilia charge struck a raw nerve. It worked then, and they are going for it again.

The Fluidics said...

Selective recollections.

The Branch Davidians killed themselves, they were not killed by the ATF.
And as I recall, they whole Waco situation began when the BD refused a search warrant, negating the legal process. But that doesn't fit in with your agenda.

Rational discussion with irrational people is impossible. Your disregard for the physical and mental well being of those children is sickening. The worst part was when you said that if it was one of your daughters, you'd say "oh well, I guess raised a dumb kid". I feel sorry for them.

MerlintheMad said...

The Branch Davidians killed themselves, they were not killed by the ATF.

Says you and others. The Davidians did not come across to me that way at all. But nevermind, they didn't start the fires. Show me a single shred of evidence that could indicate that kind of ballsy courage, to burn yourself and your own children to death!? Talk about not carring what happened to innocent children! You can just casually lay the blame for their horrid deaths at David Koresh's feet and forget about it. Yet it was the Feds who destroyed the evidence. Why?

But that doesn't fit in with your agenda.

Obviously, you deny that what I have repeatedly been saying is actually my agenda.

Rational discussion with irrational people is impossible. Your disregard for the physical and mental well being of those children is sickening.

I have serious doubts that you even know what an irrational person is like.

And where have I demonstrated a disregard for "those children?" I actually have the highest regard for them: that is why I believe that taking them ALL out of their homes was so unnecessary. There was no alleged sexual abuse of the younger girls or any of the boys, period. Get it? The so-called abuse was religious indoctrination. That embarks upon my "agenda".

The worst part was when you said that if it was one of your daughters, you'd say "oh well, I guess raised a dumb kid". I feel sorry for them.

That's the worst part? Heh, not hardly. Look, if your daughter was raised to be smart, care about her body, look forward to finding the right man at the right time, and she turned out to be sexually mature at 14, and wanted to marry some guy old enough to be her father, what choices do you have? Two: force her to not marry, and risk her running off anyway and never seeing her again; or, letting the stupid little shit have her "adult" way. She could do worse: she could just sleep around and produce bastards. That's a ton worse to me, but evidently not to you. (But in fact, I am not worried about my daughters doing that, because I have always let them have their way, with the consequences: I do not believe in controlling children at all. I protect them the best I can, but that is not the same thing as controlling them. You might give it a try.)

My agenda: to fight for the Constitutional protections of religion; against all State overzealous "crusades" against hated religious, racial or cultural groups anywhere. I don't have to agree with their teachings and beliefs to fight FOR them, if the State has done what Texas is doing right now to the FLDS